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W16, 01 October 2013, 22:00
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Here's a feature about cars not offered with manuals that should be. Some I really disagree with, some I totally agree with. Thoughts on what should/shouldn't be included?

W16
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andrewo, 01 October 2013, 22:04
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I don't think very many Cadillac ATS or F150 Raptor buyers would be interested in a stick. I would add the GranTurismo MC, every current Ferrari and Lamborghini, and the Vanquish to that list.
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W16, 01 October 2013, 22:12
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I was surprised they didn't really touch on supercars at all, but I'm glad they got the GT3 in there. I never really thought about the GranTurismo having a stick because it's a GT car, but if the MC had one it would definitely make it a better driver's car, which is something people should want from the MC.

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scudfan98, 01 October 2013, 22:37
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As andrewo said all ferraris and lamborghinis. Also the range rover evoque. I think they said they were gonna make it but i have never seen or heard of one in a stick

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scudfan98, 01 October 2013, 22:39
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Also the GT-R because even though it would not be as fast as the current dual clutch setup it would be amazing to drive.

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TYI, 02 October 2013, 00:31
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Audi S5 Cabriolet only comes with the S-Tronic but the Coupe has a manual option.
Alfa Romeo 4C

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AmosMPhotography, 02 October 2013, 02:18
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BMW M5

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drenzo, 02 October 2013, 13:04
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NorthUK00 wrote:
BMW M5



M5 you can get manual.

Coming for a driver of over 20 years, and someone that drives over 20K a year manual is overrated in most situations and on many cars, most of the time. I live in a semi rural area where in fact you can have fun on the lanes. However due to the Police and dangers hammering it down county lanes it is no longer acceptable driving on the edge, where manual feels better.

With the recent advances of Auto, and things like the DSG box on my Audi why on earth would anyone want manual, you don't have more control, unless you want to wheel spin, but that's not possible it a Quattro, t hey are not faster they offer no additional feel unless on the edge so why?

The only car I would drive with manual these days is a small hatchback for going around towns, and if I wanted a specific track day car.

On that list :
Panamera....Manual...nope it's a big boat = Auto
Raptor....Maybe but never seen one.
IQ yes manual option for sure.

As for the GT well let's see what someone who drives one says, as I doubt the person who wrote the article has driven one....

Watch about 6 and 9 mins for more confusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVdme4ISq8Y
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktb40fM_Jmg
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wtfsia69, 02 October 2013, 16:35
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The new Porsche 991 Turbo's and GT3's aren't offered with a stick, however the Carrera S is, its kind of stupid in my opinion.

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Mazdafreak, 02 October 2013, 18:48
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Rivitography, 02 October 2013, 18:53
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What's so great about manual?

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r8lover, 02 October 2013, 19:01
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Rivitography wrote:
What's so great about manual?

If you haven't driven one then you wouldn't know.
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Mazdafreak, 02 October 2013, 19:10
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When I learned to drive, it was a manual. It wasn't anything fancy (1993 VW Eurovan), but it was still a manual. Almost all automatics will be faster than manuals in today's world, but I don't care; I won't ever be owning a car with one.

Andrew - Unfortunately, Lamborghini is preparing to show it's fabulous gated shifer the door. Only 1%-2% of Lamborghini's produced today are equipped with manual transmissions, and it is becoming harder and more expensive to certify and develop manual transmissions for automobiles today. Furthermore, I doubt the typical Lamborghini customer cares much at all about driver involvement, and doesn't see why they would want to shift gears in one.

TYI - I agree with you about the Alfa Romeo 4C. It will be priced against the BMW M3/M4, which I have heard has about a 40% manual take rate. It's also fairly light-weight for a modern car, and would fit with a manual perfectly.

Amos - The M5 is available with a manual (in the U.S.), but it has gotten poor reviews and from what I have heard it is overly hard to drive smoothly - even for professionals.

Jason - Any modern automatic is faster than it's manual counterpart; that's why Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, and unfortunately Aston Martin have/are beginning to phase out their manuals. But a manual is much more involving. I learned to drive on one, and can honestly say that no automatic out there - whether it's a PDK, DSG, F1, E-Gear - can be as fun and involving to drive as a manual. I don't have any respect for car "enthusiasts" who buy sporty cars with automatics unless they can't physically drive them. No respect whatsoever.

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wtfsia69, 02 October 2013, 23:05
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Rivitography wrote:
What's so great about manual?

A stick shift manual bonds the car and the driver together, it creates a purpose for the driver, many a times these days cars have become too modern to a point where a driver is pointless, there is just something you get out of changing gears that you'll never fully achieve through flappy paddles. I drive a flappy paddle and it's fun and gear shifts are a lot faster, but I would pick a stick over it any day.

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drenzo, 03 October 2013, 05:58
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wtfsia69 wrote:
Rivitography wrote:
What's so great about manual?

A stick shift manual bonds the car and the driver together, it creates a purpose for the driver, many a times these days cars have become too modern to a point where a driver is pointless, there is just something you get out of changing gears that you'll never fully achieve through flappy paddles. I drive a flappy paddle and it's fun and gear shifts are a lot faster, but I would pick a stick over it any day.



Wait until you have been driving some considerable time, or have to do considerable mileage, the thrill of manual wears thin, as they only excel in the minority of times of auto.

As for what you are saying about GT's with only Auto watch this video from someone that owned a GT and knows a thing or two about them, and is a die hard manual fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVdme4ISq8Y

What about cars with ABS or power assisted steering, AWD?
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